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    Most people here have a very optimistic belief in the American dream to begin with, and that’s why these TV shows are reinforcing their attitudes. In other countries, they don’t have that high level of belief in economic mobility to begin with. The TV shows don’t have the same effect because the baseline is different.

I'd be interested to learn whether economic mobility is actually higher in any of those countries don’t have the same high level of belief in economic mobility.

This was an interesting read. (Peevish, but Benton's "lightly edited version" of the conversation would benefit from removing Kim's excessive use of "like" as a filler word).