Techbros don't give a shit about Rene Girard, they care about Thiel's interpretations of Girard. I half-read two books where techbros attempt to explain Girard through the funhouse mirror of Thiel (the first on purpose, the second by mistake). Alexander Douglas, unfortunately, doesn't get the Thiel interpretation of Girard, either: Thiel's read on Girard is basically "populism through nihilism". Because there is no self, because there is no being, there is no meaning except what we make... and clearly, those who are conscious of their mimetic desire will triumph over those who are not. Therefore, since god is dead and nothing matters, being the biggest asshole on the block means everyone is subconsciously required to emulate you. Thiel took mimetic desire and went mirror or be mirrored, there is no ethics, there is no morality. It's basically what Milton Friedman said about corporations and responsibility except for individuals. Is it any surprise that the TESCREAL posse laps this shit up with a spoon?So far, so Girardian (and, regarding academia, unfortunately true). But what is Thiel’s solution? The true innovator, he suggests, must rise above mimetic competition and do what nobody else is doing. That isn’t Girard; it’s Sartre. Girard found no sense in the idea of radical, unmodelled creation. He would ask: where are we meant to get the idea for what nobody else is doing? Clearly not from others. But not from inside ourselves either. Inside is only emptiness. This humbling thought has been quietly dropped from Thiel’s entrepreneurial version of Girardianism.
I don't know much about Thiel's philosophy. Other than that he studied philosophy at Stanford when Girard was there. Has he actually said anything in words to the effect of what you've just attributed to him, or are you extrapolating from his record? I've seen repeated allusions to Thiel being Christian, or Christian-adjacent. I've also read of him warning about the dangers of a one world government (which seems ironic, given the whole Palantir thing). And just in the past week I've learned he's about to do a lecture series about the antichrist (which, again, irony).
In those two books it was abundantly clear that what Peter Thiel took from Girard is that there is no framework. no morality, no ethics, no basic code of society, there is only desire and that the way forward is to be the model of that desire, not the victim of that desire. Thiel basically went "we owe no one nothing" and acted accordingly. This is one of the books. I wanted a bit on "mimetic desire" but what I got was "here's how Peter Thiel misreads Girard." I myself have not read Girard but, if Alexander Douglas thinks the heart of Mimetic Desire is a christ-like selflessness, that is nowhere in any of the reads that reflect through a Thielian lens.
Cheers for the link. It's an interesting area of European philosophy that I never encountered when I was a student.
I can't recommend that book, tho I'm pretty skeptical of modern philosophers in general. You don't need to know Evola, you need to know Steve Bannon's interpretation of Evola. You don't need to know Girard, you need to know Peter Thiel's interpretation of Girard. You don't need to know Nietsche, you need to know Richard Spencer's interpretation of Nietsche, except you don't anymore, and I would argue you never did. It's not that Nick Land is the driving force behind accelerationism, it's that there's a bunch of privileged white assholes who want to fuck shit up and they read stuff sometimes. Tony Judt's Postwar does a yeoman's job of covering the cultural evolution of Europe after the defeat of the Nazis, the cultural malaise, the anarchist brushfires, etc. None of that was driven by philosophy, but some of it was justified by philosophy. I don't think you learn shit from polluting your brain with Evola. I think the take-away is "some people are so hell-bent on justification that they'll look up what Mussolini read and try to give it a fresh take." The problem is not that "tech bros don't get Rene Girard" it's that they were never looking for any philosophy that would guide them away from their hearts' desires in the first place. Edited to add: It usually takes me fifteen to twenty minutes fumbling around with search terms like 'italian fascist philosopher' 'italian accelerationist philosopher' 'philosopher Steve Bannon likes' to remember Evola's name, which I think is wholly appropriate and I wouldn't change a thing. Often I will throw out random Italian names that percolate out of my brain which is why this morning I thought the fascist philosopher Steve Bannon likes was Piero Umiliani which is so choice
Hijacking the thread: are there any worth reading? I'm not entirely uninterested in modern phil, but when it comes to being recommended 'big names', I'm suspicious if anyone has ever finished Zizek (which reminds me of this asinine aside-to-an-aside that combines misremembered Hegel, the Simpsons, and some obscure moment in the Second Pizdziszewo Revolution) or read the likes of Scruton for reasons beyond "fails at information theory as hard as he makes libertarians jizz in their pants." Not to mention work-related quantum bullshit.. What would y'all recommend?I'm pretty skeptical of modern philosophers in general.
I think the failure is environmental, not personal. Wallerstein started out his pitch for World Systems Theory by arguing against the empiricism of the null hypothesis: because physics can be A/B tested, physics rose to the top of the science heirarchy and in the rush to reclaim ascendancy, all sorts of disciplines adopted falsifiable hypotheses where there was absolutely no reason to do so. His main whipping boy is anthropology, where uncontacted societies are the gold standard because they lack the impurities of modern culture. Wallerstein's argument was that an uncontacted society is, by definition, a failure because it is so fragile that any contact with another culture causes it to evaporate and that drawing conclusions from the undisputed laggards of the selection set will teach you nothing about its champions. There's also the broad dissemination of knowledge thanks to literacy, printing and the general availability of education. Only the elite read David Hume when he was alive but now you're likely to get his quotes in a USA Today article. "Philosophy" used to be "knowledge" whereas now it's "knowledge not otherwise specified." That "not otherwise specified" caveat has, in my opinion, left philosophy with slim pickings. A former era would consider Robert Fulghum a philosopher. This era considers him a self-help author. If HL Mencken were alive in Augustinian Rome his bust would be next to Cicero's. It has been my experience that any discussion of modern philosophy involves staring down not just your own navel, but the navel of someone staring down someone else's navel who is staring down someone else's navel who is mostly standing there arguing where Hegel got it wrong. It has also been my experience that I cannot be compelled to give a shit about Hegel. Conrad Lorenz, Nazi zoologist, wrote a book called "On Aggression" that was all the rage among psychiatrists and psychologists back in the '70s. Daniel Quinn turned it into a shitty novel about a talking ape twenty years later. Seven years after that, Hollywood turned the ape in to Anthony Hopkins. That, to me, is modern philosophy - misapplication of scientific principles smeared through enough I-want-it filters that the original arguments are virtually unrecognizable, which is probably for the best because they were pure sophistry from the drop. The Qualia of Color could be solved by inspection - why the fuck would we evolve to experience colors differently? - while the Munchausen Trilemma is basically a pretentious-ass way of saying "that's just, like, your opinion maaaaaaaaan" about every other scientific pursuit. Lorenz literally went "when I watch cichlids fight in my fishtank I am learning things about people" and he got a Nobel for it. I recognize that this reads as me slagging on an entire millennia-old branch of learning. It's not - it's me arguing that anything that wraps itself in the cloak of "philosophy" past, say, Engels is justifying its esotericism through academia. As far as recommendations, I made one in that thread that I still stand by. Tegmark has more recently been wrapped up in the TESCREAL posse but back before the brainrot set in, he did up an amusing little book on the philosophy of quantum physics.