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_refugee_  ·  4049 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: NPR: How Rhythm Carries A Poem

I firmly believe that poetry exists on a spectrum that goes approximately like:

music -> songs -> lyrics -> rap -> spoken word/performance/"slam" poetry -> rhythmic poetry -> "page" poetry -> "shape" poetry (poetry written to make visual impressions) -> black-out poetry (take existing text and black out all the words except the poem) -> words with art/art with word arrangements -> [art of words maybe] -> art

I should very much like to write about it sometime but I haven't been able to figure out where all the borders are yet. They overlap some of course. It's a lot of fun for me to think about.





ghostoffuffle  ·  4049 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Reminds me of the "what is art" conversation everybody kicked around a few weeks back. Still gnawing on that bone.

_refugee_  ·  4049 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I prefer the word when over what in conversations like that. Maybe it is because I'm particularly interested in where the boundaries are from one sub-genre to the next, but I like to approach art and poetry asking when they became art and poetry. At what point does this arrangement of words coalesce into a greater whole? When did that panel of kleinblue become a piece of artwork - when did it cease to be a color chip?

I guess the lazy way is to say "Art/poetry/whatever becomes such when it is named as such." "If the creator says it is art, then it is art." What is the intent behind the product, essentially? But I think there's more to it than that. I think that people accidentally write poems sometimes. A poem's just one word lined up after another but at some point - click, boom. It's no longer a strand of letters and sound. It's a poem. When?

ghostoffuffle  ·  4049 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Word. I like this approach because it kind of sidesteps the pitfalls of false dichotomy- art versus not art. By asking "when," you allow for a sort of spectrum leading from untouched object to managed art form without having to get lost in the weeds of exception.

A focus on becoming ("when") rather than being ("what") also invokes this sense that art requires an act of sculpting rather than just arbitrary imposition of will. Feels alright to me.

_refugee_  ·  4049 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This conversation right here is what hubski, to me, is all about. Thanks for the additional insight. I'll write books about this all some day.