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lessismore  ·  4959 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why I Don't Do Unpaid Overtime and Neither Should You
I've worked at startups and Fortune 100 companies where people are expected to get things done, whether it be 80 hours a week or 15 hours a week. The important thing is that the jobs get done. I cannot speak for the author and his experiences. But for me personally, I have noticed that people in general, myself included, tend to point out all the extra hours they put in during crunch time, but are quick to forget the down times. There were always instances in my personal work experience where I was afforded time to relax a little and learn new skills not necessarily required or related to my job while being paid. Even though I only really worked 15 hours those particular weeks, I was still paid my full salary. It goes both ways.




fr33lunch  ·  4958 days ago  ·  link  ·  
A friend of mine has worked for just about every defense contractor the state has to offer. If he was hired as an hourly employee and earned OT, he was almost always laid-off at the end of the job. Conversely, if he was salaried and worked a crap-ton of hours for a project, he usually kept his job after the contract until the next one came along.

It can work, but I think it is rare to find a company in the position to invest in their employees right now. Hopefully that will change and it will become the norm.

lessismore  ·  4958 days ago  ·  link  ·  
It can work, but I think it is rare to find a company in the position to invest in their employees right now. Hopefully that will change and it will become the norm.

And some of those that are in the position to invest are not willing to because their charter is to maximize shareholder value. Things always go in cycles, those companies that are taking advantage of their employees will quickly find themselves looking for new ones once things turn around.

ecib  ·  4958 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I have noticed that people in general, myself included, tend to point out all the extra hours they put in during crunch time, but are quick to forget the down times.

This. My industry is project based. We take the work when we can get it, and if it means piling it on in order to make sure we can keep a job that is offered we do it.

Our techs are salaried, and they occasionally howl when too many hours in a week pile up. The funny thing is, we always offer to switch them to hourly pay scale based on their current salary and a 40 hour work week, where they don't get paid unless they are on the job site. Clams them up instantly.

In all fairness, we have a great team that has each others backs and totally kick ass, and everybody steps up when it's crunch time. They just need to be reminded of how much they enjoy their Fridays off when it's slow :)

lessismore  ·  4958 days ago  ·  link  ·  
They just need to be reminded of how much they enjoy their Fridays off when it's slow

I know that all too well. Especially during the skiing and surfing seasons.

ecib  ·  4958 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I work crazy hours sometimes. It just gets mentally insane when I have too much going on with too many projects.

But on many a beautiful summer day, the following occurs:

Boss walks into office.

Boss: What are you doing?

Me: Working.

Boss: Do you need to get it done today?

Me: No, but I'd like to.

Boss: Too bad. Grab your helmet, we're going riding.

lessismore  ·  4958 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Is your boss Greg? I heard he is a good guy.