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mrsamsa  ·  3675 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill

Generally yeah. It can also include more broad cases of disobedience but the diagnosis requires some significant form of dysfunction, and usually this is violent outbursts and being incapable of following basic rules or instructions (which can obviously be a problem if you say, "Don't cross the road without looking both ways" and that causes them to cross the road without looking).





shiranaihito  ·  3675 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The symptoms seem like they'd match psychopathy too.

mrsamsa  ·  3675 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, there is a relationship between them in that ODD can develop into, or be a pathway for the development of antisocial personality disorder in adulthood.

shiranaihito  ·  3675 days ago  ·  link  ·  

First of all, ASPD is the same thing as psychopathy, and it's not something that's "developed" (let alone through another disorder). It's something you're born with. It's genetic and hereditary.

http://www.sociopathworld.com/p/portrait-of-sociopath.html

    In one study, over 80% of the variation in the callous-unemotional trait across the population was due to genetic differences. In contrast, the effect of a shared family environment was almost nil. Psychopathy seems to be a lifelong trait, or combination of traits, which are heavily influenced by genes and hardly at all by social upbringing.

But psychos sure wouldn't mind having yet another "cover" like "NPD", "BPD", "HPD" etc, which are all just flavours of psychopathy at best, if anything more than labels for whatever set of mind-fucking tactics a particular psychopath has decided to employ.

mrsamsa  ·  3675 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    First of all, ASPD is the same thing as psychopathy,

Absolutely, that's why I brought up ASPD when you mentioned psychopathy. I wanted to use the formal terminology so that we can be clear about what we're talking about, as "psychopathy" has a number of connotations that might confuse the issue.

    and it's not something that's "developed" (let alone through another disorder). It's something you're born with. It's genetic and hereditary.

The cause of ASPD is still up in the air with multiple possible theories (genetics being one), but you're right that it's a lifelong condition. However, ASPD is only diagnosed as an adult condition and does not exist in children by way of definition. Children with antisocial symptoms are diagnosed with ODD or Conduct Disorder, and if the symptoms persist past the age of 18 (and they meet the other requirements for ASPD) then they get a diagnosis of ASPD - that's what I mean by it being a pathway for the development of ASPD.

shiranaihito  ·  3675 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, a psychopath child is a psychopath regardless of what label silly academics might want to slap on him.