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comment by oyster
oyster  ·  3204 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Elite, White Feminism Gave Us Trump: It Needs to Die

Third wave feminism actually came about because the previous two focused more on privleged white women. Sooo in a way it has died but there will still be some older woman who were around during the first and second wave.





snoodog  ·  3204 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Do you feel like we ever accomplished the goals of second wave feminism in the US? I feel like in much of Europe they were successful where as in the US we have divided our focus between the remaining goals of second wave feminism and third wave feminism and are struggling to make progress in either area.

For the article at hand I feel like the author is arguing that there was insufficient focus by Clinton on second wave feminist ideas and that that was a contributing factor for her loss. I think third wave feminist ideas were basically non existent in this campaign.

oyster  ·  3204 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In America I would say no, however I do believe in Canada we have accomplished much of the goals of second wave feminism. I know in Canada woman can struggle to find a place in a domestic violence shelter so I just kind of assume in America it's not going to be any better since we are more socialist in our funding. I could be wrong about that though. Same goes for reproductive rights. I didn't read her platform in depth but I do think she failed to really express how she would help woman. I do think that over her career she has listened and grown as new information and feminist ideas came around but I don't think she did it fast enough.

The thing about third wave feminism is it came about because woman's priorities are a lot more diverse than the previous two waves were. If feminism is supposed to work for all woman than it has to be diverse enough to encompass all their individual concerns. That's why we have terms like "sex positive feminist" because it describes feminism that is inclusive of sex workers. Feminism today is inclusive of everybody while also not being...It's confusing as fuck which is why I don't think campaigning on it works very well. Different groups focus more heavily on different things and to them that is the most important issue. I think speaking more about second wave things would have worked but that's also very socialist. I mean if you think about it most of the countries that achieved a good amount of time for maternity leave are now moving on to paternity leave while America is still on the first. So even if she does talk about better maternity leave she has to skip a step and also talk about paternity leave which is even more socialist than the already socialist countries. If she doesn't then she pisses off the people who realize better paternity leave benefits both woman and men in the workplace so she seems backwards or stuck in the past. It's tricky.