I have been annoyed by Apple's charges at times, but this is dumb. Now will there need to be a vote to allow new technology?
Constraints are good for creativity. Makes you think outside the box, forces you to focus your efforts. Dunno if it unconditionally applies to engineering, but that seems to have worked so far in every field I went even as much as ankle-deep. Anyhow: even if there will be some amazing new technology far superseding long-lasting compatibility of solutions like USB, why not mount them in parallel anyway? There's always redundancy and niches with technology. PS/2 keyboards likely aren't going anywhere and those mini-USB headphones or hands-free things have been around for like a decade, but you can still get ones with a jack. Let the market decide, as I'm sure it's one of the directions this discussion will head. Meanwhile, it solves a problem that's a legitimate nuisance to many people. Probably including engineers who'd like to make something that talks to Apple products, but can't because it's incompatible. No biggie, but let's take a moment to remind ourselves that the answer to "what can be learned?" isn't learnable things. Like, the technically correct answer is the best kind of being correct, but come on.Sorry, I'm not trying to be dismissive.
I agree that this is a legitimate nuisance, but do not feel that this is the correct way to address it. Mounting them in parallel might not be a very good option from an economic or engineering perspective for a new device. I am very far from a libertarian. I believe there is both good and necessary regulation, and that civil society depends upon it and can be improved by it. However, I also believe that regulation comes with a cost, often unknowable at the time of implementation, and that the nuisance just does not make the cost worth it.
And I think that a concern based on a second-order 'maybe' is perhaps a touch too little of a cost when considering ease of use, universality, and safety benefits. Agree to disagree? And why couldn't that new tech be, dunno, 2mm bigger? We had a thread recently about "build time-cost-capability -- pick two" and this seems exactly that: sacrifice something to showcase new solution. Do that whole early adopter thing. USB too needed a while to lift off. I'm from 98, born to tech-savvy parents, and I still remember using those PS2 mice with a rubber ball inside up into high school, christ. It takes time for a design to be built, tested, distributed, adopted etc. Knowing specs in advance is a plus, IMO. Bit tongue-in-cheek, though I'm sure it's a possibility knowing lawyers I know: someone is probably already thinking of going around the issue by making up some reason why the product isn't actually a smartphone, thus not being required to have USB-C.Mounting them in parallel might not be a very good option from an economic or engineering perspective for a new device.
I get your point completely. And I hate Apple's constant plug antics. I gave up on Apple completely after they willy-nilly rendered my $350 Bose docking station obsolete overnight. But I think there's a middle ground. Industry standards exist in all sorts of industries, and I fail to see why electronics is any different. I don't think the government need to get too involved here (though I get kleinbl00's point about safety). Apple is continually taking a market risk by trying to make their stuff proprietary. I think that's a bad long term idea, but clearly it hasn't hindered them yet. However, we all know how fleeting brand equity can be. So as soon as they're not the cool kid anymore, which will happen eventually, no one's going to put up with that any longer. So I think the industry just needs to set the standard in consultation with safety regulators, and let the chips fall where they may. For now, I'm sure happy with my $49 Moto G power ($62 all in, since I had to replace the screen once).
Let's be clear - the only reason Apple cares about this is they're assholes. - Apple went hard into "firewire" (IEEE-1394) when nobody else did because it was pretty obvious that USB2 solved all the USB problems. Do you... really need eight channels of synchronous uncompressed digital audio out of your two-channel MP3 iPod? Well guess what sparky that's how you charge it anyway. At a time when an Archos Mini Jukebox had a USB-mini, Apple put fucking Firewire plugs on their smallest devices... because they're assholes. - 'member how MagSafe was dope and kept you from tearing the power plug out of your computer? And how Apple changed it three times, just because, while also being so fiercely protective of their patents that nobody else could do it? And then they just fucking abandoned it for - wait for it - USB-C? I've got "mag-safe" chargers for all my tablets'n'shit (including Apple's!) that are made illegally in China. Thing of it is, you can't slap a chip in the charging connector of a MagSafe to make it a proprietary must-pay-ten-percent-to-Apple "iDevice." So MagSafe had to go. - Apple has limited the Lightning connector to the iPhone and iPad because really, it's an utterly worthless piece of shit for anything real. It charges. It transmits data at USB-2 speed. Yeah you can get "audio" out of it... by buying a tiny Apple-compliant USB-audio adapter. You can get "video" out of it, by buying a tiny Apple-compliant USB-video adapter (tops out at 1920x1080/60). Meanwhile I have a Quadro laptop with a USB-C port on it that is driving video AND audio AND data AND USB which is - wait for it - why Apple puts USB-C ports on everything but phones and iPads. - Let's not forget what Apple switched to the Lightning port FROM: ...I mean, let's talk "fuck-you" connectors. Luminance and Chroma? dafuq your iPod needs S-video for? SERIAL? What is this fucking thing a dial-up modem? Here's the thing tho - it's a 30-pin connector yet Apple only ever used 15 pins on the fucker. The other 15 were "reserved for future use" like, I dunno, hooking up a Simon Says or some shit. And let's not forget that every single proprietary plug Apple has ever used is fragile as fuck. Jonny Ive hates strain relief. Apple brand language has been "ignore all connectors" since the fucking Bondi Blue iMac, unless it's some proprietary garbage that they'll be able to RDF you into believing is superior for exactly one and a half Keynote addresses. Look at this shit. LOOK AT IT! "Let's do our own dumb-ass version of DVI only with radically worse specs and almost but not quite enough power to drive our displays! yeah! That's a great idea! We'll put CRT power... on our video cards! GENIUS! 'cuz here's the thing any professional will tell you: iDevices of all kinds suck donkey balls. Ever go to a conference and the speaker is sitting there embarrassed because his laptop won't make the room's projector work and everyone sighs and complains about how shitty Windows is or some shit? It's not windows. Apple's audio and video standards are always between 80% and 85% of spec. They NEVER kick out enough signal to actually meet the requirements of the protocol because if they had to size their connectors to actually meet UL and CE listing for the standards they'd look like everyone else's. So they undersize everything and tell the regulating bodies "no no it's a proprietary signal" and then at the Apple Store they tell you it'll work everywhere look we'll sell you a dongle for $59 and it is utter premeditated bullshit. I've got two fucking plugs IN MY CAR because Apple needs a special USB port to run carplay. Android? Either. Apple? BETTER BE THE GRAY ONE! And they're allowed to get away with this because people go "oh, well but Apple needs room to innovate" without recognizing that left to their own devices, Apple would populate the world with G4 Cubes.
I guess my selfish point was that I hate Apple and I don't use their products specifically because of their asshole-parading-as-innovation approach to everything. I've made that choice and I think the world will, too, eventually as soon as your friends no longer make fun of you for carrying a Android. Even Apple knows a sea change is coming, and that's why they will go to the ends of the Earth to protect iMessage.
There's a misconception at the heart of your argument: They're not. They're absolutely not. Apple realized early and often that proprietary hardware mattered way the fuck more than proprietary software and built their entire business model around it. There was a brief shining moment in the Sculley era where you could buy an Apple clone, but it was the Sculley era so you were paying extra for shitty software that nothing ran on and didn't accomplish anything and was also beige so why would you do that. Theoretically you could build a "hackintosh" but you need to start with a DVD of Snow Leopard which says a lot. Did you know that the market cap of Airpods is greater than the market cap of Roku? Shitty tinny little lithium pills that die every eighteen months and people buy those things like they're pacemakers. Now - Apple could make the batteries detachable (lol remember when phones had spare batteries? thanks, Apple!), put an extra slot in the charging case and double the useful runtime. They could even sell spare batteries. The connector has been standard for 30 years. it is used widely for headphones. But if Apple did that shit you'd see a million MMCX batteries that are cheaper than Apple's and Apple couldn't sell you a new set of AirPods every eighteen months. And the thing about Apple? Is they're the dicks that fuck over their customers first and then eventually everyone else's life sucks. Things Apple took away first: - disk drives - batteries - memory card slots - keyboards - headphone jacks And every time, Android (and Windows!) users went "WTF" and twelve months later, Android users were just as fucked as Samsung and Motorola and everyone else went "look, people pay eighty gajillion dollars for iPhones without keyboards so obviously people who don't buy iPhones don't want one either." Apple's lack of innovation punishes everyone else because they flaunt the fucking law.Apple is continually taking a market risk by trying to make their stuff proprietary.
What I meant by "market risk" is that the reason they can get away with being different is that no company maybe ever has enjoyed their brand equity. Brand equity is fleeting. And when theirs fades it's going to be way harder to convince anyone to buy a Firewire 6.0 or whatever.
And what I mean by "flaunt the fucking law" is that Apple's brand equity is protected by the fact that their anticompetitive practices have so far avoided regulatory scrutiny. 'member when Microsoft got in trouble for bundling Internet Explorer? And Barnes'n'Noble got busted for trying to buy Ingram? Misty water-colored memories.
The reason they care is the proliferation of non UL-compliant, non NEC-compliant, non EU-compliant Chinese fire-hazard "outlets" being sold with a low-voltage 5V USB port attached to it. Once it goes into the wall it's effectively there forever and nobody gonna adopt a low-voltage standard if Apple is going to change their charging protocols every time the Chinese successfully reverse-engineer the encoder chips that prevent you from charging an Apple device with a non-Apple cable. Being able to say "this end is 5V 2000MA USB Type-C connector" will allow everything that doesn't need 120 or 220 to run on 5V 2000MA and that would be extraordinarily fucking great. Imagine what your desktop would look like if you could get rid of every single wall wart.