We had it mostly nailed down 2000-some-odd days ago: And: The only questions are: low-frequency (edit: nope, high-frequency) acoustics or microwaves, and if microwaves, intent, because it could be unintentional (see details in previous threads). I think Havana syndrome is a real thing, but I understand the suspicion. Were there a place in the world where the Russians would do this, it'd be Cuba. Not just b/c of Cuba's Russia-friendly regime, but because it's like 100 miles from continental U.S. soil. And it's tradition, hah.
So accidental injury as a side effect of attempted high-tech bugging? That is interesting. Thanks for linking.
Yes, exactly. I still think it's possible, but if the (assumed real) afflictions continued long after public reports, which have obviously been out for many years, I guess that more or less settles the intent question. And if they're doing it elsewhere, not just Cuba... intent. But also... the intel agencies know what it is. I'm about 99% certain that they're about 99% certain what's doing it. If we can think through it here even somewhat well, and they've got teams of people working on it, even part-time, presumably they can e.g. build a device to detect a microwave source (or lack thereof). Nor would it be hard to detect ultrasound or sub-sonic acoustic stuff. I think the press release is "we'll pretend we don't know exactly what it is to give you one last chance to fucking stop it". And: Nah I don't buy that. I think releasing the amount of info in the article is part of the plan to solve it. I dunno why else intel agencies would go forward with this. You're not gonna hear stuff like otherwise. I agree that suspicion is always warranted when it comes to our intel agencies and Russia's, but I don't know what U.S. national interests would be furthered by lying about this. The idea (mine, just now) that this is a psyop designed to make MAGAs realize that Russia is bad has me giggling though (edit: I mean because you'd basically need to make Putin kill Trump live on camera in Times Square to change their minds, at this point)Still, it remains unclear why it took American officials so long to acknowledge the problem, and why they still show no sign of having a plan to solve it.
U.S. officials told 60 Minutes that a senior U.S. Department of Defense official was targeted as recently as July 2023 at the NATO summit in Vilnius, Lithuania
I'm not a doctor, I'm not embassy staff, and I'm not a Russian agent, so my opinion doesn't matter, but this one has smelled to me like "Chronic Lyme Disease but for spooks" since it came out. the combination of symptoms that doctors can't figure out, the belief in a coverup, pinning it on secret russian weaponry - the whole thing is a tall claim with short proof. the simpler answer is that like chronic lyme, it's a collection of psychosomatic symptoms and random other ailments that get unified and blamed with this label. that doesn't make the symptoms not real, and it's got no more weight behind it than the spy weapon theory, but you can't prove a negative except by showing what isn't true. none of the studies so far have found anything. my views on this are colored by my biases, but without getting into any of the political side of it, i think that looking at the medical evidence and the announcements made by the US govt etc on this is enough to warrant caution at a minimum when things like this come out
This is wild. "A consensus has formed among the growing community of AHI sufferers that the U.S. government — and the CIA in particular — is hiding the full extent of what it knows about the source of Havana Syndrome. The victims offer two general hypotheses as to why. The first is that releasing the full intelligence around Russian involvement might be so shocking as to convince the American people and their representatives that Moscow has committed an act of war against the United States, thereby raising thorny questions as to how a nuclear power fond of showing off its hypersonic missiles ought to be made to pay. The second is that acknowledging Havana Syndrome is caused by a foreign adversary could put a damper on recruitment to the CIA and State Department." Hell of an indictment either way.